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I'm trying not to lie



November 20, 2018

Jordan B. Peterson, a Canadian psychologist, talking to the family

After a morning lecture at the Ljubljana Exhibition and Convention Center in Ljubljana, Canadian psychologist Jordan B. Peterson is dedicated to journalists and their issues for several hours. The previous "examiners" seemed already tired of it, but in spite of all this, we were devoted to a lot of goodwill.

Read the complete interview in the new Family Number.

Which one 12 rules Are you the hardest posture?
That's probably possible Tell the truth – or at least not lie. This is the hardest.

Why do you so rarely use the word love? What is love for you?
The desire is that everything that lives and suffers patiently goes well.

This is a word that needs to be used economically. With her too, ruthless and indifferent use, she is devalued. In other words, we only need to use it when the situation requires it. Speaking of love … is quite demanding.

Does faith in God help overcome chaos and help someone to get better?
I do not know if it's so much for faith as for fear. You know that they say: "The beginning of wisdom is the fear of the Lord."

What kind of fear is that?
Let's say the fear that what you do is really important. Or what you write, actually counting. Change the flow of events. And this ethical responsibility really exists. I believe that people change the perspective of the future into the reality of the present. And they are doing ethical decisions.

When you write something, it determines what the world will be like. If you're smart, this would scare you. We have to do this with caution, because things can get a lot worse. And you can help. And do it, if you are meaningless about the word. You increase the chance that things will get worse. The more it is, the more authority your word is.

Do you believe in the power of forgiveness? Why do we need it?
Because we all make mistakes. The old thought is that God has two hands: grace and justice. If there was just justice, we are in great trouble. But, if there was grace, we could do everything we want. None of these extrema is correct. The man hopes to be able to rise again after the fall and show similar kindness to others, of course, none of us are perfect. But that does not mean that you should not have ideals or should not be responsible for your actions.

There are conditions for forgiveness. For example, when we must forgive, we must first acknowledge that we have made a mistake and repent. Then, we need to understand why we did it, because its roots can go back far and show a serious disadvantage. Then the error must be corrected, and it is not wise to repeat it. Then we can omit it.

I think it's similar when we forgive another. It's something other than forgetting. If someone violates you, it might be best to go, forget it. But I do not think that one should be forgiven until this person passes the procedure described above, because he would walk alone if he had to forgive himself.

The reason why we forgive and correct what we have wrong is the fact that we will no longer repeat the same mistake. This is actually the true meaning of memory. Many people think that memory is to remember the past. It's not like that. The intention is that the memory does not repeat the mistakes of the past.

In the lecture you talked about why good people in the name of ideology are ready to do bad, very bad things. Do you think that we are again at risk of falling so deeply into ideology? What is the prototype for this?
This danger always exists. The only successful anti-tyranny and disaster is true. I would say that it is a good start to seriously assuming a moral obligation as a sovereign citizen. The journalist's job is to report the truth. But you must indentify the truth, live.
Sometimes I talk to a journalist who has a lot of mouths of ideology. According to him, there is no truth. It's like talking to a doll. I can foresee everything that they say. Part of the problem is that it does not internalize what it says.

If you want to have the right conversation, you must believe what you are saying. You become a person that can be identified. You can fight tyranny by becoming a true person who integrates what you know is true in your life. You speak from yourself, because no one else can speak, except you.

How come you're not afraid to talk about depression?
Why do you think I'm not afraid? In a terrible state, I was about two years old. I was pretty scared.

It's a big taboo in society …
Things are what they are. I hope this will help people. For each item, the price must be paid. It is necessary to pay the price for silence, it is necessary to pay the price for the speech. I guess I was sufficiently reliable, and I thought I had to talk about it. I know that depression is an incredibly chronic disease. Her daughter suffered severe arthritis and therefore lost her wrist and hip for a year and a half. Otherwise, the situation quickly deteriorated. I asked her whether she would have a pain for arthritis or depression. She did not think for a moment and answered it for arthritis. It's a pretty terrible thing. It's a pretty terrible thing. It's useful to light it up.

How do you help?
Oh, in many ways. I have been taking antidepressants for a long time; Now I do not take them anymore. It seems that depression has affected our family as a side effect of autoimmune disease. Now we are a little clearer what this disease can be. I have a very restrictive diet and looks – surprising – very useful. I also started other things. I've always done what I thought it meant that it was worth working, even though I had a bad day … surrounded by family and many friends. I tried to build my life and have many sources of meaning in it. This also keeps you upright when it's darker than it should be.

Today is another death tab. Are you afraid of dying?
Everyone is afraid of death. There are things that make me more afraid of this … The thought of it helps.

E.g?
(silence) I'm more afraid of hell than death.

How are you trying to prevent her?
I'm trying not to lie …

Did you look at your cat if you meet in the street?
Yes, I do it when they are not too picky and come and say, "Hello."

They were Mojca Purger, Marjan Pogačnik and Urška Makovec

Photo: Vid Ponikvar, Tatjana Splichal

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